Discussion:
[MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.
Martin Jessa
2004-05-26 12:51:35 UTC
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Hi guys.

Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards (a/b/g) ?
Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like with the 11b hardware ?
I have a major problem which I just cannot get fixed.
My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8 disconnect a few times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a few seconds, sometimes for even over an hour.
The APs are connected to one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and hardware (which I carefully tried).
Access points connected to eachother lose contact independiently meaning only one of them reports the other link is down while the other one thinks it is still connected.
It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in the metter of fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on one of the APs (which is also connected to our backbone). Then they started working again.
The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70 dBm. The distance between APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7 kms. I suspect the problem to be driver related but I am not sure. The support of MT stoped answering and I am stucked with angry customers and unstable links.
The cards we use are http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm which I believe are exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.


Regards.
M.Jessa
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Evren Yurtesen
2004-05-26 15:13:20 UTC
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Yes, there is an upgrade for that :p I have heard that when you upgrade
to StarOS it solves all your problems. Can you try StarOS?
Post by Martin Jessa
Hi guys.
Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards (a/b/g) ?
Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like with the 11b hardware ?
I have a major problem which I just cannot get fixed.
My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8 disconnect a few times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a few seconds, sometimes for even over an hour.
The APs are connected to one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and hardware (which I carefully tried).
Access points connected to eachother lose contact independiently meaning only one of them reports the other link is down while the other one thinks it is still connected.
It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in the metter of fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on one of the APs (which is also connected to our backbone). Then they started working again.
The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70 dBm. The distance between APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7 kms. I suspect the problem to be driver related but I am not sure. The support of MT stoped answering and I am stucked with angry customers and unstable links.
The cards we use are http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm which I believe are exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.
Regards.
M.Jessa
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Bob Hrbek
2004-05-26 15:27:03 UTC
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ha-ha...kind of like that upgrade from windows to Linux?

-bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evren Yurtesen" <***@ispro.net.tr>
To: "General questions about MikroTik RouterOS" <***@bruno.pmi.lv>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Yes, there is an upgrade for that :p I have heard that when you upgrade
to StarOS it solves all your problems. Can you try StarOS?
Post by Martin Jessa
Hi guys.
Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards (a/b/g) ?
Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like with the 11b hardware ?
I have a major problem which I just cannot get fixed.
My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8 disconnect a few
times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a few seconds,
sometimes for even over an hour.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
The APs are connected to one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with
mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and
hardware (which I carefully tried).
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
Access points connected to eachother lose contact independiently meaning
only one of them reports the other link is down while the other one thinks
it is still connected.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in the metter
of fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on one of the APs
(which is also connected to our backbone). Then they started working again.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70 dBm. The distance between
APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7 kms. I suspect the problem to be
driver related but I am not sure. The support of MT stoped answering and I
am stucked with angry customers and unstable links.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
The cards we use are http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm
which I believe are exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.
Post by Evren Yurtesen
Post by Martin Jessa
Regards.
M.Jessa
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Kevin Summers
2004-05-26 15:23:38 UTC
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LOL, thanks for that. I needed a laugh today.

I've heard nothing but good things about StarOS.

Kevin Summers
KISTech Internet
www.kistech.com



-----Original Message-----
From: routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv
[mailto:routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv]On Behalf Of Evren Yurtesen
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:13 AM
To: General questions about MikroTik RouterOS
Subject: Re: [MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.


Yes, there is an upgrade for that :p I have heard that when you upgrade
to StarOS it solves all your problems. Can you try StarOS?
Post by Martin Jessa
Hi guys.
Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards (a/b/g) ?
Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like with the 11b hardware ?
I have a major problem which I just cannot get fixed.
My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8 disconnect a few
times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a few seconds,
sometimes for even over an hour.
Post by Martin Jessa
The APs are connected to one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with
mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
Post by Martin Jessa
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and
hardware (which I carefully tried).
Post by Martin Jessa
Access points connected to eachother lose contact independiently meaning
only one of them reports the other link is down while the other one thinks
it is still connected.
Post by Martin Jessa
It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in the metter of
fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on one of the APs
(which is also connected to our backbone). Then they started working again.
Post by Martin Jessa
The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70 dBm. The distance between
APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7 kms. I suspect the problem to be
driver related but I am not sure. The support of MT stoped answering and I
am stucked with angry customers and unstable links.
Post by Martin Jessa
The cards we use are http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm which
I believe are exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.
Post by Martin Jessa
Regards.
M.Jessa
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Juan Hector Medina
2004-05-27 01:50:51 UTC
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This started when you updated to 2.8 ?

We also have a similar link that was working perfectly with 2.7 but when
I upgrade to 2.8 it started to drop packets , the link is only 897 meter
perfect LOS and with Mikrotik guys I check everything and the link still
bad.


-----Original Message-----
From: routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv
[mailto:routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv] On Behalf Of Evren Yurtesen
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:13 AM
To: General questions about MikroTik RouterOS
Subject: Re: [MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.


Yes, there is an upgrade for that :p I have heard that when you upgrade
to StarOS it solves all your problems. Can you try StarOS?
Post by Martin Jessa
Hi guys.
Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards
(a/b/g) ? Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like
with the 11b hardware ? I have a major problem which I just cannot get
fixed. My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8 disconnect
a few times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a
few seconds, sometimes for even over an hour. The APs are connected to
one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and
hardware (which I carefully tried). Access points connected to
eachother lose contact independiently meaning only one of them reports
the other link is down while the other one thinks it is still
connected. It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in
the metter of fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on
one of the APs (which is also connected to our backbone). Then they
started working again. The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70
dBm. The distance between APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7
kms. I suspect the problem to be driver related but I am not sure. The
support of MT stoped answering and I am stucked with angry customers
and unstable links. The cards we use are
http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm which I believe are
exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.
Regards.
M.Jessa
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M.Jessa
2004-05-27 18:17:31 UTC
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Hello Juan,

We started with 2.8.5 and the problems occured from the very
beginning. None of the software updated seemed to solve the problem.
We're radio sniffing on the link now trying to capture any abnormal
activity. We've so far none radio related problems.
I will keep you updated.
If we will not be able to solve that issue we'll propably have to use
some alternatives...


Thursday, May 27, 2004, 3:50:51 AM, you wrote:


JHM> This started when you updated to 2.8 ?

JHM> We also have a similar link that was working perfectly with 2.7 but when
JHM> I upgrade to 2.8 it started to drop packets , the link is only 897 meter
JHM> perfect LOS and with Mikrotik guys I check everything and the link still
JHM> bad.


JHM> -----Original Message-----
JHM> From: routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv
JHM> [mailto:routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv] On Behalf Of Evren Yurtesen
JHM> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:13 AM
JHM> To: General questions about MikroTik RouterOS
JHM> Subject: Re: [MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.


JHM> Yes, there is an upgrade for that :p I have heard that when you upgrade
JHM> to StarOS it solves all your problems. Can you try StarOS?
Post by Martin Jessa
Hi guys.
Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards
(a/b/g) ? Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like
with the 11b hardware ? I have a major problem which I just cannot get
fixed. My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8 disconnect
a few times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a
few seconds, sometimes for even over an hour. The APs are connected to
one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and
hardware (which I carefully tried). Access points connected to
eachother lose contact independiently meaning only one of them reports
the other link is down while the other one thinks it is still
connected. It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in
the metter of fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on
one of the APs (which is also connected to our backbone). Then they
started working again. The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70
dBm. The distance between APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7
kms. I suspect the problem to be driver related but I am not sure. The
support of MT stoped answering and I am stucked with angry customers
and unstable links. The cards we use are
http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm which I believe are
exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.
Regards.
M.Jessa
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Juan Hector Medina
2004-05-27 19:18:57 UTC
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Just to give more information about this problem:

I change all , mainboards, memory , swap other atheros cards *Atheros
AR5000 5 GHz , pigtails , check and re-check the aligment in the antenas

And the only "solution" that work for me was when we put the AP with
2.8.9 and the client with 2.7.20 these works for 3 days with out any
problems , then I need to reboot the client MT (2.7.20) to get connected
again to the AP.

Regards,








-----Original Message-----
From: routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv
[mailto:routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv] On Behalf Of M.Jessa
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:18 PM
To: General questions about MikroTik RouterOS
Subject: Re[2]: [MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.


Hello Juan,

We started with 2.8.5 and the problems occured from the very beginning.
None of the software updated seemed to solve the problem. We're radio
sniffing on the link now trying to capture any abnormal activity. We've
so far none radio related problems. I will keep you updated. If we will
not be able to solve that issue we'll propably have to use some
alternatives...


Thursday, May 27, 2004, 3:50:51 AM, you wrote:


JHM> This started when you updated to 2.8 ?

JHM> We also have a similar link that was working perfectly with 2.7 but

JHM> when I upgrade to 2.8 it started to drop packets , the link is only

JHM> 897 meter perfect LOS and with Mikrotik guys I check everything and

JHM> the link still bad.


JHM> -----Original Message-----
JHM> From: routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv
JHM> [mailto:routeros-***@bruno.pmi.lv] On Behalf Of Evren Yurtesen
JHM> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:13 AM
JHM> To: General questions about MikroTik RouterOS
JHM> Subject: Re: [MikroTik] Atheros & Firmware upgrade.


JHM> Yes, there is an upgrade for that :p I have heard that when you
JHM> upgrade to StarOS it solves all your problems. Can you try StarOS?
Post by Martin Jessa
Hi guys.
Is it possible to perform firmware upgrade on atheros AR5012 cards
(a/b/g) ? Or is everything done in the software and not hardware like
with the 11b hardware ? I have a major problem which I just cannot get
fixed. My AP's which run on RouterBoards and RouterOS 2.8.8
disconnect
a few times a day with no pattern what so ever. Sometimes just for a
few seconds, sometimes for even over an hour. The APs are connected to
one another in WDS mode, in client mode , with mini-PCI and/or PCMCIA.
The problem occurs with all the combinations of software setup and
hardware (which I carefully tried). Access points connected to
eachother lose contact independiently meaning only one of them reports
the other link is down while the other one thinks it is still
connected. It also happened the APs thought they were connected but in
the metter of fact they stoped transfering data until I ran AP scan on
one of the APs (which is also connected to our backbone). Then they
started working again. The radio conditions are perfect, about 65-70
dBm. The distance between APs varies from a few hundred meters to 7
kms. I suspect the problem to be driver related but I am not sure. The
support of MT stoped answering and I am stucked with angry customers
and unstable links. The cards we use are
http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/products/cm9.htm which I believe are
exactly the same ones MikroTik sells.
Regards.
M.Jessa
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